• Jerrid P. Kalakay

Episode 30 - Finding Your Purpose with Student Guests

Purpose is a difficult concept to articulate for most people let alone follow towards a career or vocation.  On this episode, Jerrid explores what it takes to pursue one’s purpose with student guests Ryan, John, and Ian.  The Valencia College students, participated in the live radio podcast, while their classmates tuned in to the broadcast live from the classroom via Facebook Live. Students also enjoyed communicating during the program through Facebook’s chat feature, engaging in witty, fun and informative banter.


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Jerrid Kalakay 0:09

Welcome to the teaching change podcast where we explore issues of social entrepreneurship, education, and innovation. I'm your host Jerrid Kalakay. On today's episode, we've got a very special episode for you in store for you all. We have once again visited Professor Claudine Tomlinson-Burney's class, radio and podcasting class. And so we've got a live in studio audience. And we've also got students, students as guests that are in that podcasting class. And so I'm going to have them introduce themselves in just a moment. But we are excited to have them here. And we're gonna be talking about purpose, and how someone finds their purpose. So, Ryan, if you could introduce yourself and kind of tell us what brought you to this court particular course and

what you're learning?

Student 0:54

Well, I'm Ryan McDonagh, and I was taking this course because I'm actually, I haven't been into interested in podcasts for like, years before, it was like a big thing. And my actual major though, is digital video motion graphics. So it's all video related.

Jerrid Kalakay 1:09

Nice. Okay. Very cool. Very cool. And what have you learned kind of so far? I know, we're only week five. Right? But so far, what have you learned enough to be in front of a microphone? We know that.

Student 1:22

I learned just to just put an actual Vox pop together. That was actually really interesting, you know, interviewing people and getting questions,

Jerrid Kalakay 1:28

okay. And for our listeners, most of our listeners are probably not as well trained on technology and so forth. As as, as you all are, because most of our audiences, academics and others, that are in involved in social entrepreneurship. And so what is Vox pop,

Student 1:46

Vox pop told by our professor is, I forgot what language it was. But voice of the people.

That's right, I forget.

That's a swine. Okay, and

what is it? What does it do? Well, basically, you're getting people that opinions on a certain subject, let's say something political, something, you know, culturally related, anything like that, really, and you just get their opinions on it.

Jerrid Kalakay 2:09

Okay, very cool. Very cool. And john, do you wanna introduce yourself,

Student 2:11

sir? My name is john Obree. And I'm, I'm in this class, actually, because of Ryan. We're in digital media, we pretty much been in the digital media program together. Since I don't know, it's been like two years old. Yeah. So um, but I've always had an interest in, in audio, and I had no idea about this class until he told me about it, I gotta, I gotta get in there, I gotta do it. Just to put my foot, you know, get my foot in the door somehow, because I had no idea how to do voiceovers or to get into podcasting, broadcasting or whatever. So glad I found it. Cool. So and going back with what you said, we were pretty familiar with a lot of software because we were going to graduate pretty soon out of motion graphics. So we know a lot of software and it's kind of the same across the board if you're using like Adobe or whatever. But um, the box box was very interesting to to learn and to do. So that was that was a big thing for for me.

Jerrid Kalakay 3:05

So and and the Vox pop is an app on your phone as well. Right? It could be or it's not, it's it's more of the

Student 3:12

the practice of getting out there and interviewing somebody on the street. It's basically asking, asking an open ended question to somebody on the street. Like, we I did mine on a bucket list, what's your bucket list item and why? Okay, so you just grab it, put it together, and you get the voice of the people.

Jerrid Kalakay 3:27

And there you go. All right. And last but not least,

Student 3:30

alright. Hey, guys, so my name is EN. And? Well, I've been taking I'm taking this class because first of all, I'm really interested in making my own podcast, you know, I want to work with sound I want to work with radio and want to be able to communicate with the mass public, and what better way to do it than just learn how to podcast because that seems to be the new medium these days. And, you know, I've been learning a lot so far. It's been about six weeks, but I've it's been really fun meeting new people haven't tried out different equipment. I mostly joined I want to do sports radio. So maybe to my voice up a bit. But other than that, it's been really, really educational.

Jerrid Kalakay 4:06

Okay. All right. I don't know much about sports, sports broadcasting. But I feel like you have to bark or something.

Student 4:12

You got you have to get like really opinionated. And it's very back and forth and get

every once in a while. Just go.

Jerrid Kalakay 4:19

Yeah, Brunton something, something else. So. So I talked to you all last class, last class came in and talk a little bit about what teaching changes and the podcast. Obviously, most of my guests are well versed in some aspect of social entrepreneurship or innovation. This is kind of an interesting thing, because you all don't actually know about the subject, but it's a good way to kind of get into a conversation with with students, and, and so forth. And so one of the things that's a really big deal in social entrepreneurship and innovation is the concept of purpose, realizing that social entrepreneurs and social innovators are doing something that's difficult, but they're doing it for a bigger reason than themselves. They're making money, and they're pushing boundaries, etc. And oftentimes, the work they're doing is incredibly difficult and complicated, because they're trying to not only make money, but also to improve society, which is, as you can imagine, a pretty difficult task. And so the concept of purpose becomes a really big thing with social entrepreneurs. And so today, I wanted to explore with you all the concept of purpose in your own lives. And we're in kind of gauge where you all are on on your journey to find, you know, your life's purpose. It sounds such a heavy thing, but it's probably a journey we're all going to be on for our entire lives. And it's an ever growing. It's an ever growing internal conversation that we have with ourselves and externally with with our loved ones, I'm sure but so that's our topic today. And I'm interested to kind of think about I mean, when you all signed up for this course, you could, john and Ryan kind of talked about it a little bit about how you're doing digital media. And then you found out about the podcasts and radio course and you said, Okay, I'm going to try my hand at that. But was there more to that? I mean, Ian talked about how he wants to become a podcaster of his own. And what about what about you guys? Like what about Ryan? and john? How do you guys kind of is this following your your purpose? Do you feel like this could be a life's purpose?

Student 6:21

Not necessarily, for me and like an audio, but only like, the biggest reason why I wanted to actually get this class is because I listened to a lot of other podcasts like better comedians. And one thing I really like about podcasts, the fact that all these funny stories and questions and moments come out through that podcast of the conversations, but my actual goal is a video. Split. It goes hand in hand sound and video.

Jerrid Kalakay 6:45

Okay. All right.

Student 6:47

That's, I it's going to become my purpose. Because like I said earlier, this I've always wanted to do this. And I never knew how to get my foot in the door. I never knew I didn't know what to do to put voiceovers out, try to do character voices stuff I wanted to do until I found this this course. And now that there is a an actual degree program opening up based on podcasting, and and what's I've social media, I forget exactly what the the course of the new course name is now, but yeah, I'm probably going to switch to it. And this is the route I'm going to take because I've always wanted to do so.

Jerrid Kalakay 7:22

Okay, awesome. Awesome. And then And then lastly, you you mentioned, you want to be a sports broadcaster. And so, you know, I jokingly said that you have to bark and so forth. But the other than working on your gruffness for sports broadcasting is sports broadcasting your passion, your purpose?

Student 7:39

Yeah, it's been one of my passions. Since I was little, I've always been into, you know, listening to talk radio that talks about sports, you know, I would stay up late and listen to the late night shows. And I've been listening, I would look at my favorite commentators basically. And you know, once at ESPN me, the ones that CBS, Fox, you know, all the big stations, they would have someone that's, you know, very, very passionate about what they talk about, and exactly what direction their opinion is going to go for maybe a certain team or certain player, certain statistic, whatever you name it. And I wanted to recreate that as something that maybe I will be in the future, like in my future be able to be a well known name in the sports world as a broadcaster.

Jerrid Kalakay 8:22

Okay. All right. I'll start we'll start with this question towards you. And Has anyone ever told you that you could or could not be a sports broadcaster?

Student 8:31

Yes, actually, I've been told many times from people that I couldn't be a sports broadcaster, because the fact that I haven't had any experience talking on in front of a mic or in front of people, basically, on the radio. And I will usually counter that by saying that I have had public speaking, sessions and I have had a lot of experience with that. So what I would tell people is, I have the experience needed to go in front of people and talk about, you know, my opinion, my passion. It's been one of those things that I've told many teachers over the past that yes, I can do this. And I will do this because it's just my passion.

Yeah. And it helps to talk about what you know, correct? You know, because that knowledge will spew out when you're when when you when you love talking about what you love?

Jerrid Kalakay 9:17

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And often passion and purpose kind of go along, they're not the same thing. But they oftentimes piggyback on one another, right? And if you really are interested in something, and you see it as being, at least impart something that can become a life's purpose, you should follow it. But kind of the same, same question for you, for you, gentlemen. Have Have you been told to either follow your purpose or find your purpose or not?

Student 9:46

I've just been told to worry about money

for worry about money.

Jerrid Kalakay 9:50

Okay. And, and and what does that what does that mean? What do you mean by that?

Student 9:54

Well, I'm basically like, they biggest, I just want you to basically just, it's hard to say because like I say, you know, living with your folks survive without survival. Yeah, and survive without them. And then at one point, you, you, you're told,

I want to do this. And then they tell you,

that's not really you should make money do this.

But then at that point, it puts you in a wall where you, like you said, What is my purpose now? Yeah, yeah, no. And then you gotta basically grind it out and get in there. And it's worth it at the end of the day, because you, you look back, and you see the struggles that you went through? And it's, it's something that you could be proud about? Yeah, once?

Jerrid Kalakay 10:42

Well, and I think that's a very common, I think it's very common for for young people, or people in general to be told, maybe you shouldn't really do that. There's not a lot of money in that. And yeah, you enjoy this thing. But you know, you're not going to, because, yeah, and I believe it comes from a good place. Yeah. I think our friends and family want the best for us. But of course, it's in the end of the day, they're still operating from their frame of reference, right? And of course, yeah. And and they're from references not are from a reference and their lived experiences isn't the same as our lived experiences. And I think a lot of people get discouraged in that journey, when they're not reinforcing their dreams when they're not reinforcing their purpose, but rather everyone that has previously been their support network says, I don't know if that's really for you. Maybe you should do this other way more practical thing, right. I think a lot of people then change and they switch because it's not easy, right? following your dreams and following your finding your purpose is not an easy journey.

Student 11:43

There'll be a lot of let downs, a lot of heartbreaks, a lot of discouragement, you know, yeah. But I always said that I'm not I'm not going to do that to my kids, because I don't want them to get that way. I want them to follow their dreams. And I want to be supportive. Because Yeah, like Ryan said, that's, you gotta you gotta work for the money. You got to work to live. Yeah, you know, and not follow that. Angela and

Jerrid Kalakay 12:00

john, do you have kids now? I do. I have to. Oh, wonderful. How old? Are they? three and six?

Oh, nice. Yes, boys, boys and girls want to be


I'm sure your partner would be very excited about you're talking about that.

Well, yeah. That's cool.

All right. Well, John's gonna be sleeping on the couch. But no, no, no, he it's all good. So john, you know, you obviously have children. I you married? I assume that you're married. Right. So you're married? So you're a little bit older than the typical college student? Yes. Right. And so you've probably had more experience. And you might have had a career or some different posts before? Sure. What led you to come back to school and go into digital media. And now you're kind of getting on the the podcasting and radio kind of slant and so forth. What What made you decide to come back and do this? Now, that's a long story. I

Student 13:01

started way back long ago. I was in the military at first. And I was after I was discharged. Medically, I went back to school because I had benefits. And I didn't know what I wanted to I thought I wanted to be a teacher. And I started going that route. And I'm like, I don't want to do that. And I like to do artsy type stuff. So I went into interactive design, okay, got a degree in that and started doing web development. About eight years, nine years. And then I decided to go back to school for Computer Information Technology, because I started really digging computers and technology and putting things together and troubleshooting. And I did that for a while. And I don't know, I had some benefits lifts all motion graphics. I'm like, I started doing some of that at work, too. I'm like, might as well learn about that. Yeah. So I did it. And then this came along. Yeah, I'm like, Okay, this is something that I really, really want to do, like I said before, so that's why I came into it and did it. Yeah. And going back to, you know, people telling me that if I, do you want to do this, or would you say? Is this really for you? Yeah, you know, me, everybody. I had a good support system, but they're like, you want to do cartoon voices?

Okay, that's great.

That's fine. Yeah, you can do that. What about now? Yeah, what are you going to do? What do you want to try to do them? So hopefully, this leads me into the path what I want to do. Yeah, and I can make money doing it and survive, you know?

Jerrid Kalakay 14:27

Yeah, absolutely. Well, and thank you, john, first and foremost, for your service. Do you? And this might be personal, but do you think that your determination to kind of continue to search for that thing, or that that profession or that skill set that you really long for? And to continually kind of go back you you mentioned you, you've kind of come back to school a few times, continually refining and looking for that thing that you're really passionate about? Do you think that you gained any of that kind of that grits or that determination and in the military was that prior?

Student 15:04

A lot of I will say a lot of it came from military a lot of because you you know, you set out to do something you have to Yeah, have to do it. It put that you know, it lit a fire and you had to do it. So yeah, I'd say a lot of it came from it. Okay.

Jerrid Kalakay 15:16

Yeah. Cuz there because most people, most people don't. I mean, unfortunately, most people don't follow follow through, you know, which, you know, on this program, we talk a lot to social entrepreneurs and social innovators and and almost always, they are the type of people that continually push that boulder up a hill. But on average, many people they don't, they don't continue following their dreams and, and, and pursuing especially in the face of kind of life and all the challenges that come with it. And that's, you know, and the naysayers, right?

Student 15:47

Right. Yeah. Well, that's the thing, you know, that, um, if you, like, family, everything comes along, and you need to provide now and it's, it's easy to lose that passion and that vision bill, you know, because you have to you have to do something to provide for your family or, or to live, you know, it's it's, it can be tough.

Jerrid Kalakay 16:07

Yeah, absolutely.

Student 16:08

I'm just fortunate. That's all I can say. I'm very, very lucky to be in the position I am now.

Jerrid Kalakay 16:13

Yeah. So let me ask you, gentlemen, this and it's it's odd that there's there's only gentlemen on the show today. But there there at least two women in your class. Not mentioning your professor. But But You three are the ones that were chosen or selected or volunteered to be here. So I appreciate it. But any kind of your academic, academic career slash professional careers, what has been something that that's reinforced, we talked kind of about the naysayers and the discouragement, but what has been something that you've been able to achieve or be able to see that that made you go, you know, what, I'm really going to continue down this path, I'm going to kind of help move further along and realizing my purpose.

Student 16:57

So well, when I was little, from the age five through 18, I was a boy scout, I didn't I earned my Eagle. Okay, so I did a lot of community service. And that made me open my eyes thinking, you know, I want to connect with the community, I want to be able to reach back out to the community of what they given me. So if I give them a product that they like, then it's, you know, tip for tat. And I believe people deserve to have a medium that, you know, they can escape from, like, you know, everyday life, you know, just to kind of understand what they like, what they like and what the community wants. So you just listen to them, and be being an Eagle Scout. Part of that was, you know, learning what a community wants from you and what you can provide back to the community. And that was a big life lesson for me. And it's what made me to the person I am today.

Jerrid Kalakay 17:45

Okay. All right. That's great. Congratulations. Thank you. That's great. Ryan, what about what about you? what's what's happened that positively and really reinforced your kind of your pursuit of your purpose.

Student 17:57


doing what weddings, videography for a little while. And once I started my first video, they loved it. I thought it was great. It was awesome. Yeah. And at that point, I was like, yeah, this is cool. Like, I'm getting paid just to put your memories together, and you watch it forever. So that that in a way, boost me to keep going and now I actually got the job that I want. Cool. Cool. And what do you what are you doing now? I'm a camera operator at a Golf Channel.

Jerrid Kalakay 18:23

Nice. Very cool. Very cool. Very cool. So how many weddings did you do? Are you still doing weddings on the side? To avoid them? About the celebration of love?

Sure, it's recorded.

I've done about like date.

Okay. All right. So there are there are eight, eight different families that will have to sit through and watch the their parents and the grandparents wedding video. Yes. That was shot by you. Right?

Student 18:51

Yes. Okay. All right. Good. That's awesome. That's awesome. Never thought about that way. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah.

Jerrid Kalakay 18:59

They will get the wedding. I mean, of course, now, you know, back in the day, it was like beta, or VHS. But now it's probably digital. And

Student 19:07

how many people are actually watching your video?


Jerrid Kalakay 19:11

Yeah, time for change times change times, times, they indeed have changed. So So gentlemen, if there was, you know, there's some newer folks that that are coming into existence, not only kids wise, but But folks that are coming into higher ed and and starting, they're just starting out their journey, or maybe their mid career or changing careers, whatnot, or they're still just kind of searching for the purpose. What advice, either have you been given? or What advice would you give to someone to continue kind of journey

Student 19:45

and searching for their purpose. So basically, what I would say is, if you have a dream, and you have something you want to perfect, go for it. You know, don't let anyone tell you that, you know, you can't do it, or you're not good enough for it. Because I think there's gonna be a lot of that when you come to college, there's gonna be a lot of people trying to push you to a certain degree that maybe you do not want, because they think it would be perfect for you because of the amount of money you'll make later in life from it. So when I when I started college, I was being pushed towards nursing. I don't want to do anything with medical, it's not my dream. And then they said, Okay, well, we'll push you into, like Pete, like police or firemen. And I told him that I'm just, I'm not suited to do any of the tech media, mercy tech stuff, or nursing. I believe that technology is the wave of the future. And that's why I'm in this degree right now. So I specifically told them that I'm going to do technology, that's my dream.

Jerrid Kalakay 20:42

Okay. And was that met with resistance? Or was that

Student 20:44

it wasn't met with resistance? You know, they told me that, you know, okay, well, tech, that's another big popular category right now to go into as a degree, but they told me that, you know, you they kept trying to say that, you know, you could be making a little more money with nursing, you know, to try to give like, you know, the mom talk that all of us have about we're low know about life in general. And they kind of had that tone. That's basically what I had to experience when first starting out.

Jerrid Kalakay 21:09

And you're still trying to figure things out, right?

Student 21:11

Yes. I'm still trying to figure out exactly, you know, where I want to work on my career. You know, what I want to do after I get out of school? Couple years? Absolutely.

Jerrid Kalakay 21:19

Absolutely. Well, thank you. Thank you.

Student 21:22

I would say it may sound cliche, but it I mean, it brings true down with the naysayers, you know, don't live if you follow your passion, follow your passion, don't let anybody discourage you. You can still work in the real world and survive. I guess the thing is, if you have a passion, and you can't get to it right now, keep it on the back burner. Don't let it boil and evaporate. Just keep it on simmer. You keep it there. And when you're ready to come back to it, you come back to it, but don't lose sight of it. Because if it passes you by it passes you by you're not gonna be able to do what what you really want to do.

Jerrid Kalakay 21:51

Yeah, absolutely.

Student 21:52

That's that's pretty much what I would

Jerrid Kalakay 21:54

say. That that's good. That's good. Thank you, john. Ryan, what do you got, buddy?

Student 22:00

I think just just go do it. Because at one point, you're going to meet people who are doing the same exact thing you're doing, and they're going to be pushing you as you push them. And at one point, because everything's about networking, they're going to help you get something you're gonna help them get something solo. Let me know. Yeah, one point Am I feel? Yeah,

Jerrid Kalakay 22:21

well, really, I mean, the world is much smaller place. And then we I mean, whenever you get into any field, you start to realize how small it really is, and, and how important those connections are.

Student 22:30

I agree. Especially now.

Jerrid Kalakay 22:33

Yeah, I mean, that goes without saying, I mean, I'm sure you, you, Ryan, you got the Golf Channel gig, because you probably knew somebody who knew somebody that introduce you to somebody to introduce, you know, and granted, you had probably a portfolio and so forth that you were able to show but ultimately, you know, all the all the really good jobs, or the really good fields that we that we want to all work in, or that we find our purpose in our most likely not going to be a posted on monster jobs, or one of these job boards, right? I mean, not really, most of the world, at least in these very technical, or very difficult fields. Most of it is through connections, and who you know, what you've done in the past, how well you've done, you know, so forth and so on it kind of bounce to that. One thing that that I'm reminded of is Howard Thurman said,


when you're thinking about I forget this exact quote, but basically it was, when you're thinking about what you want to do for a career, think about what makes you come alive. Because what the world needs is more people have come alive. So instead of thinking about, okay, what do I need to do in the world? Or Or can I do to make a lot of money? His argument was, we should do things that make us come alive, because that's what the world most most needs. And if we think about any kind of field, whether it be entertainment, whether it be politics, whether it be technical, it enter, you know, whatever it is, it's the folks that that were really alive. And we're really excited about what they're doing that made a difference. You know, whether it be you know, Henry Ford with the automobile, or the Wright brothers or Steve Jobs, or, you know, you see anybody Ilan Musk, right, these people are, folks, they're not spectacular. There's nothing necessarily intricately wonderful about them, other than the fact that they really enjoyed what they're doing, or they really enjoy what they're doing. And those are the folks that that often make a difference.

Student 24:33

Absolutely, absolutely. So true.

Jerrid Kalakay 24:35

You know, so, so you mentioned kind of what you would give for advice to people that are just kind of coming in. I want to change that question a little bit, ask you when you do get discouraged, because right now, obviously, we've we've all you know, we're all speaking from the perspective of we are following our passion, we are following our purpose and we are developing and this you know, finding our purpose. But there's, there's we all have tough days, right? And so, so when you guys have a tough day, what do you do to kind of cope with that tough day and, and change things around to get, you know, kind of back on the proverbial horse the next day?

Student 25:16

Well see, I do a couple things. I first, you know, I sit back and think about what exactly have I done in that day that was positive, you know, just blink out negative negativity, just delete all that out of your brain for just a minute and think about exactly what you did that made an impact on someone, yourself, or maybe the people around you,

Jerrid Kalakay 25:36

any of you write that down, like in like a gratitude journal, I do not kind of mentally think about

Student 25:40

I just mentally think about, you know, maybe you know, if I'm writing something for school, I maybe put something in there that comes right out of my brain, maybe just you know, if it's like an emotional feeling towards a certain subject to come out and spell out. But what I, I mostly do it every other week, because I do have bad days, like most people in the world course, you know, I I've had days where I just wanted to absolutely throw things at the wall, because I just been that angry or that sad. And I just use that as a coping mechanism. For someone who has had struggles with stuff like that. It just helps me kind of motivate myself to if I did this one day that was positive. I can build on it. And the next day, yeah, and then build on the next day and keep going.

Jerrid Kalakay 26:22

And so you you just are able to kind of compartmentalize the negative of a day. Yeah. And really focus on Okay, well, what went right? Yeah, I spilled my coffee on me myself in the morning commute. Yeah, I was late to class. Yeah, whatever, whatever, whatever. But But you know what, I did XYZ today or this, this happened and, or, you know, I got my new debit card in the mail. And I've been waiting for it, you know, whatever it is. Right. Right. That's that's your kind of your kind of thing. What about what about Ryan or john

Student 26:51

undergoes fun? Oh, well, there's there's been like really bad days that I've had, I used to work this really heavy manual labor job. And I obviously wasn't doing what I wanted a video. I wasn't doing what I wasn't getting so much wedding gigs at the time. It wasn't the season. And one thing that got me going, honestly, it was school. Because I had in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I'm working towards something. When I go to school, this is something I want to do. And then let's say I took my motion graphics class that at the time, and it sparked my basically that little fire that you get as a kid when you're excited. Yeah, that's what a smart Yeah, makes you just keep going like because you know, eventually, it will get better. If your minds in the right place and you work hard.

Jerrid Kalakay 27:34

Yeah. Isn't that and I love that. That example you gave kind of when you're a kid and you get excited about something. You know, I just instantly went back to that kind of being excited about, you know, things when I was a kid and what that felt like, Oh, yeah. And I realized that so infrequently. As adults, we get that same feeling. You know, I mean, most people, you get that same being the same feeling as is somewhat fleeting. And I think that's kind of sad. Yeah. But it's neat that you feel that way about the work that you're doing now. Yeah. And and I think that's as close to feeling purpose. as you can get. Yeah, for sure.

Student 28:14

Like, my job now. I have to wake up at 330 in the morning. I work at 430

Jerrid Kalakay 28:20

for the Golf Channel for the Golf Channel, I guess yeah, golfers get up early. Don't think, I guess.

Student 28:27

No, no, I don't mind it. Because I'm, you love what you're doing? Exactly. I'm going to a job that not much people do. Yeah, no, no. Very few people compared to the other the other job that I've done beforehand.

Yep. So read waking up. You're like, I gotta go. Yeah.

I worked at BestBuy for two years.

Jerrid Kalakay 28:43

That was not the manual labor job. That's no,

Student 28:45

I back in ice for like a year. Gotcha.

I felt the same way delivering pizzas before you know. And yeah, believe it or not, I worked at like Western semi make great money. It was awesome. I mean, I pretty much could do whatever I want. But I guess so burned out on it. Like going there was no you go nowhere, there. You know what it is, but if

you want but who wants to do that? And I used to work in retail. You know, I used to do a lot of cool folding clothes. And I dreaded coming into work at 5am to fold clothes. Yeah, you know, it's just one of those things. You know, if the more you focus on what you want to do, the better the rewards going to be later on. Yeah,

Jerrid Kalakay 29:18

yep. Well, and what's what's really interesting is it's all relative, right? So each one of your purposes is very different. And it will continue to evolve right now. You know, and so, so, ness. So working, you know, at Publix, and which is a grocery store here in or in Florida, for folks that may not be aware, or bagging ice or pizza delivery or working retail. For some people. Again, it's all relative. So for some people, that might be their purpose, you know, they might gain a passion and they might feel that feeling when you're excited as kid to go do that work. For others. It's that'd be painstakingly horrible, right? Yeah, but everyone's got that thing, right. My my neighbor, he was semi retired recently, within the last six months, got a job at a funeral home. And he loved it. It's his in his I think he's probably in his mid to late 50s. And now he works at a funeral home, and he drives the hearse, and helps prepare the body and so forth, not the stuff that you need to agree for. Because he doesn't have that, but everything else and he loves the job. And he told me, he's kind of always been fascinated with the funeral business, and the fuel funeral industry. And he loves going there. And so he started out like two days a week just kind of helping out. And now he's pretty much working full time. To me, that would be the most horrible job imaginable. I

Student 30:43

there's a job for everyone.

Jerrid Kalakay 30:44

But But he but he loves it. And he's already retired. And now he's basically coming out of retirement to do this job that he absolutely loves. So, you know, purpose is a relative thing. It's very subjective to each individual. And and I also think it changes quite often

says it's evolved. And you're all Yeah,

Student 31:04

yeah. Imagine being someone in Thailand that your goal is have a rice farm and have a family. And that's their purpose, as well, just like you said,

Jerrid Kalakay 31:12

Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, and there and there are a lot of folks, there are a lot of folks are getting out of farming in the world. And there are a lot of folks are getting into farming, as well. I mean, it's kind of, you know, it's kind of an interesting thing, but kind of going going back to staying grounded and staying kind of on target with your purpose. JOHN, what do you what have you done to kind of keep the ball rolling in the direction you wanted it to?

Student 31:37

Luckily, like I said earlier, I have a great support system. You know, my wife is great. But it's really, it's really been in my face the last six years with my kids, if I ever want to have one a little more a little motivation. I look at them, because I want them to know that sounds corny, but I want them to know they can do the same thing. If they have a passion, they can go out and they can do it. And I'm setting the example. And I want it I want to show them that even last bad day. You know, I'll go play video game, play guitar, whatever to get my mind off of it, process it, do whatever. Everybody has their own way of doing it. Yeah. But at the end of the day, it's I have to show them everything really. And that's that I want them to know that they can do that. That's awesome. Yeah,

Jerrid Kalakay 32:21

that might be the greatest gift you can give them.

Well, you've been listening to the teaching change podcast where we explore issues of social entrepreneurship, education and innovation. I'm your host Jerrid Kalakay. On today's episode, we had some special guests from the radio and podcasting class of Professor Claudine Thomlinson-Burney. Till next time, be nice and change some stuff.

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